This interview was made three months before the death of Lino Maga, a legendary winemaker father of the iconic Barbacarlo, an oenological gem from Oltrepò Pavese. Lino is an irreverent and outspoken man, speaking of wine, he teaches us an all-round life lesson. A character out of time who with a cadenced tone illustrates his vision about the world of natural wines, the relationship with "industrial" wines and the risk of commodification of the Italian food and wine heritage. The nostalgic words in memory to his friend Gino Veronelli sound today like the oenological testament of an absolute giant of Italian wine.